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<Attraction Vs Value> 吸引vs价值-转载
This is a long one, so here's a rundown:
1. A clear distinction between, and balance of attraction and value.
2. The psychological and physiological effects of both attraction and value.
3. The difference between surface attraction and deeper neurology based attraction.
4. Practical applications to decrease flaking and increase your overall odds of converting a chick.
以下是本文的要点:
1.吸引和价值之间有清晰的差距,它们之间也存在着一种平衡。
2.吸引和价值的生理、心理作用。
3.肤浅吸引和基于深层神经的吸引的差别
4.在减少被放鸽子方面的实际应用,以及增加你成功调教一个雏的几率。
There is no absolute and objective value. It is all relative. (Cred: Dimitri) What is valuable to one girl is not valuable to the next. A rich and successful businessman has much value to a low income single mother, but relatively little value to a middle aged sugar mamma looking for a hot young stud. Similarly, some super peacocked goth dude has a lot of value to other goth chicks, but to a college party chick looking for a crazy frat boy, the goth dude is just some lame ass weirdo.
世界上没有绝对而客观的价值,全都是相对的;对一个女孩而言的高价值可能不适用于下一个女孩。一个有钱而成功的大款对一个低收入的单身母亲而言具有高价值,相对的他对一个热衷于找年轻男人的更年期妇女价值就要少得多。类似的,一些超级孔雀的哥特男对其他的哥特女来说具有很高的价值,但是对于大学校园内期待白马王子的MM来说,他们更象是一群怪人。
To a woman, a man's good looks and sense of style add to his value. His money and success - add to value. His body language which telegraphs his status and beliefs - that is value. His fame and social proof - still value. The compatibility of his and her identities, the strength of their connection (rapport is a subset of value), his listening skills, his conversational skills and socializing abilities - all value. If the girl shares similar interests as the guy - that makes him valuable. If he is a immigration lawyer and her family is overseas, he is extremely valuable. You get the picture ;)
对于一个女人来说,男人的外表和有型增加了他的价值。他的钱和成功增加了他的价值。他那散发他的内心和信仰的肢体语言――也是价值。他的名声和社会地位――还是价值。他和她的一致性,他们之间联系的强度(亲善力也是价值的一个子类),他的倾听技能,他的对话技能和社交技能――全是价值。如果她与他之间有共同的价值观――价值,没说的。如果他是一个从海外移民过来的律师,他就是一个黄金王老五。
In addition, if a man shares similar views of the world, and has similar future ambitions and dreams as she does (i e. They both want to be married by age 32 and have 3 kids...) this is also value. Compatibility equates to value. The perception of value is the conditioned response instilled in us by society and our upbringing. The average guy on the street in an attempt to get women will focus and make apparent his VALUE. He will attempt to show his material possessions and success and he will tell her he has similar interests and dreams for the future. This is the game of AFC's. It is comprised 99% of value, and the other 1% of the time, he randomly and unconsciously does something to create attraction. Unfortunately, there are also a lot of AFC's that subconsciously AVOID creating attraction.
额外的,如果他和她之间有相似的世界观,并且具有与她类似的对未来的规划(例如,他们都想在32岁结婚并且生3个小孩…),这也可以视为价值。相容性同等于价值。对价值的感知是社会和环境注入我们体内的条件响应。一般的大街上的男人,如果要试图勾对一个女人的话,会集中的展示他自身的价值。他会尝试秀出他物质条件的丰富、事业上的成功,还会告诉女人他有与其相似的爱好以及对未来的规划。这是AFC的游戏。99%由价值构成,其它1%就是所消耗的时间,他会随机并且无意识的做一些事情以建立吸引。不幸的是,这里还有很多AFC潜意识的逃避建立吸引,晕。
The downfall of a nearly attraction-absent game is that the girl will attempt to LJBF you. You become valuable to her as a friend. If there is no attraction, there is no reason for the girl not to leave you in that category, with unlimited access to your value for eternity.
On the plus side, since value is completely aligned with society's programming, it can reduce your flaking completely. More on that later.
缺乏吸引的游戏最后往往会演变为这个女孩会尝试LJBF对待你。你就是她一朋友。如果没有吸引,她没理由不把你归入那类,当然以后会无度的、长久的索取你的价值。
从积极的角度说,因为价值与个人的社会工程相关,它至少能降低你被放鸽子的几率。这将在后面详细介绍。
Now let's talk about attraction.
Attraction is highly coupled to validation. It is an automatic emotional response which symbolizes chasing. Attraction is felt physically in the body as a force propelling you to that which you are attracted. The very act of chasing something makes you more attracted to it. Actions which resemble chasing also create attraction. Metaphorically speaking, if you move toward someone, you feel attracted to them, and they feel validated. Conversely, If you move away from them, they feel attracted to you, while you feel validated.
现在让我们谈谈吸引
吸引与接纳紧密相关。它是一种自然的情感反应,标志了追求这个过程。一旦你被吸引,你就从身体上会感到一种驱使着你的压力。真正的追求只会使你越发感到被这个过程所吸引。组成追求的一系列行动也建立了吸引。泛泛而言,你接近某人或某个社群,你会感觉是被他们所吸引的,同时他们会认为“那没错,这种感觉很好”。相反的如果你离开他们,他们会感觉自己被你所吸引,这时你就会觉得受到了肯定。(当然,前提是你们得相互承认对方的价值,译者注)
Attraction is created by the multitudes of techniques and methods that are studied here on mASF. Negs, hoops, push-pull, c+f, dominant frames...etc. Anything that removes a person's validation in a fun and playful way creates attraction toward you. The fun and playfulness is there because that is what sucks them into and assists them in accepting the dominant or imaginary frame you have created with the technique. Remember that all of the attraction caused by verbal techniques is just surface attraction. It is temporary and superficial. People have a tendency to resist attraction. They are aware of the irrational emotional response created by attraction and attempt to shut it off as quickly as possible. Surface attraction created by mASF techniques is easily dissipated when a girl removes herself from the stimulus. Surface attraction is anything which does not give physical pleasure, however it is what leads to the deeper pleasure based attraction.
有一大套的技术和方法能够建立吸引,被圈内称之为mASF。打压,开放环路,推拉,C+F,控制性框架…等等。使用一种有趣且好玩的办法移去一个人对他们自己的肯定会使他们建立对你的兴趣。过程的有趣性和娱乐性在于,因为这相当于把他们卷进来,使他们接受你使用该技术建立的想象中框架的统治。记住,所有通过口头方式建立起来的吸引,都仅仅是肤浅吸引而已,是暂时且非常表面化的东东。另一方面,人们总是有一种趋势去抗拒吸引,这是因为他们的理智告诉他们,这是一种因吸引而产生的非理性情绪响应,所以想立刻的关闭它。用mASF技术建立的肤浅吸引会很快消散,特别是当目标对你所施加的刺激不再感冒的时候。肤浅吸引泛指那些不能给肉体上欢乐的吸引,但是它又是通向能够带来更大快乐的深入吸引的工具。
A theoretically perfect internally validated woman feels no attraction and chooses her partners based solely on their value. Of course those women don't really exist ;) so we have nothing to worry about. It is a worthwhile goal for us to become completely validated and choose those partners which only add value to our lives, and help us fulfill our dreams and goals in life.
理论上,一个充分自信、完全对自己持肯定态度的女人,不会被任何男人吸引,可以从容而理智的选择她的生活伴侣,其择偶标准完全依靠男人的价值。当然这种女的是不存在的 所以我们没有什么可担心的。要相信,让我们自己变的完全接纳自己、完全发挥自己的长处,用一种增加我们生命质量的眼光去挑选我们的伴侣,并让她们帮助我们实现我们的梦想和目标,这些是非常有意义的目标。
There is also deeper level attraction created through kino and sex. When you touch and more importantly, fuck a woman, you anchor yourself to physical pleasure. This effect resembles attraction, but is much more powerful and intense -- also much harder to resist. It is the deep level attraction which locks itself into a woman's neurology through physical pleasure which will create strong bonds that are difficult to break. This is why good sex is so important to our game.
使用kino和sex可以建立更深入的吸引。当你爱抚,或者更激进点,搞一个女的,你实际上是在用肉体上的快乐来锚定自己。这种效果构成了吸引,但是是以一种强烈的方式――以至于这种诱惑如此难于抵挡。这是一种深层次的吸引;这种吸引通过肉体上的欢愉把其自身锁定在了女人的神经系统里,并且建立了难以打破的强烈联系。因此,好的性技巧也是你GAME的一部分。(对很多中国女人来说,高潮还没体会到,所以,努力吧,兄弟们^_^)
Ok, enough theory, how does all of this relate to GAME??
Flaking Sucks. Have you ever been in a club, ran a tight fucking set, had girls laughing, touching you and had their complete attention on you all night long?? Ever had those same girls flake? If you answered yes, then read on my friend, that is what this post is all about!
OK,理论够了,这些跟GAME有啥米相关的地方呢?
被放鸽子方面,你总该有过以下经历吧:在一个吧内,打开一个非常紧凑的set,并让女孩们开心,摸你,吃你豆腐,并且整晚的当全场价值最高男人??结果仍然被那些女孩放了鸽子,不回你电话,就像你从来被遇见过她们一样?如果你回答YES,继续看吧兄弟,我写这个帖子就是为了说明这个事情的
What you did was create massive amounts of surface attraction. But there are two important properties to surface attraction which work against you. Firstly, it is temporary and state based. It goes away when you do. Secondly, it is resisted because to the girls, it is a familiar unempowering emotional response. If you create a ton of surface attraction in the club, take a number and then go home.... I guarantee you have a flake on your hands. Flaking is the result of excess attraction combined with a lack of value. Simple and predictable. The only way to win a completely attraction-based game is to lay back completely, give her YOUR number and let her chase you, since any chasing on your part will dissipate her attraction to you. Likewise if you have lost a lot of value for some reason, if she discovered that you misrepresented your value, you cannot chase her to regain it. The attitude must be "Hey, I am who I am, take it or leave it."
你在吧里面所做的仅仅是建立了大量的肤浅吸引。但是肤浅吸引有两个跟你过不去的特点。一是,它是暂时的且基于情形的,当你做的时候才有。第二,它是被女孩无意识抗拒的,这是因为在她们的理智看来,这是一个不被认可的情绪响应。如果你在吧里面创造了大量的肤浅吸引,拿了个电话并回家了…我敢保证你手上拿的不过是一个被放鸽子的机会而已。缺乏价值而充满了甚至过剩的吸引,非常可能导致这种情况。这道理简单并且可被预见。对基于吸引的游戏来说,唯一的取得完整胜利的办法是从头再来,给她你的电话并且让她倒贴你,因为你任何追求她的行动都会消散她对你的部分兴趣。同样的,如果你由于某些原因失去了大量的价值,如果她发现你没有如实表述你的价值,你跟她就彻底OVER了。你的态度必须是“嘿,我就是我,要么你接受它,要么就给老子爬”。
Current anti-flaking techniques on mASF such as phone freeze outs and Next'ing her attempt to counteract flaking by creating more attraction. While these work on a temporary basis, they only address the symptom, not the cause of flaking. (I remember someone on the Intra-lair teleconference talking about using a phone freeze out 4 times on a chick before he got her to meet up) Since the underlying cause of flaking is a lack of value, merely adding more surface attraction is not only inefficient, but potentially detrimental. It only works proportionately to the amount that a chick is externally validated by guys. In other words, it only works on the type of chick who's only motivation in life is to be pursued by guys. Certainly someone I would never want as a girlfriend anyway.
目前,mASF方面防止被放鸽子的技术,比如电话冷冻,推脱她的请求以用建立更多的吸引来抵消掉被放鸽子。因为这些都是暂时的东东,只能医治表面,不能解决造成放鸽子的根本原因。(我记得有人说过使用电话冷冻了一个雏4次,然后才跟她见面的事情)。因为被放鸽子的深层原因是缺乏价值,仅仅靠添加更多的肤浅吸引不仅是无效的,而且是潜在有害的。只有当一个雏仅仅是需要男人们对她外表的肯定的时候,这个办法才有效。换句话说,这种办法仅对这类女人有效:她们生存的动机就是为了让男孩追。反正无论如何我是不想找这种女孩当GF啦。
If you play the attraction / validation game, remember that unless you create significant value, you are perpetually stuck in that game. Remember - chasing a girl completely dissipates attraction, so the moment you validate her, she will lose interest. Ugly / low relative value guys are forced to play the attraction game. The girl realizes he doesn't validate her, she says "WTF, this ugly guy doesn't like me, I'll change that!" and then proceeds to chase his validation, he plays a tight attraction game, fucks her a few times and she is caught.
如果你玩吸引/肯定游戏,必须记得,除非你建立了显著的价值,你会永远的在这个游戏上滞足不前。记住――全力追一个女孩降低吸引,一旦你让她得到终极想要的东西了,她就会对你失去兴趣。没有相对价值的男人,只能去玩吸引游戏。当女孩认识到他没有肯定她的时候,她说“操,这个B不喜欢我,我要改变它!”于是就跃入了追寻他肯定的圈套,然后他加快这个吸引游戏的节奏,上她几次,彻底锚定她,俘虏她。
The way to cure flaking is to demonstrate your value to a chick. Value has very important anti-flaking properties. It is permanent, it doesn't go away with time, and it is aligned with the influence of society and a girls previous programming. So when a girl leaves your presence, and her state goes back to "normal", you still have value. It doesn't change a bit.
医治被放鸽子的办法是向这个雏证明你的价值。价值本身就具有“反放鸽子”特性。它是永恒的,不会随时间消散,并且它与社会影响力以及女孩的白马王子梦相吻合,所以即使当一个女孩离开你,回归“正常”的时候,你仍然具有价值。一点都没变。
Demonstrating value has a few components. First of all, you need to elicit what is valuable to her. And when I say EV, I don't mean the Speed Seduction EV routine, that can work, but I prefer a more subtle means. Through vibing with the chick, pay attention to what she talks about, and what her feelings are on different topics. Girls are CONSTANTLY communicating their values to us, we just need to tune into it. You can read a girls emotional response to things through her body language and tonality. What ideas and topics does she respond positively to? What does she respond negatively to? Cold read her values. You can say something like ... "I get the sense that X is really important to you... I like that." If you really want to be slick, then take her values and improvise a routine which demonstrates that you also have those values.
展示价值有一些元素。首先,你需要找到对她什么是“有价值”的。当我说EV的时候,不是说SS中的EV惯例,那有用,但是我更喜欢一种奸诈的方法。通过与这个雏的口头勾对,注意她在讲什么,注意她对不同主题的情绪反应。女孩一直都在向我们讲述她们的价值,我们只需要对准频道就可以了。你能够读取一个女孩的情绪反应,通过她的语言和音调。什么想法和话题她作出正面反应?什么使她作出负面反应?冷读她的价值。你可以说一些话,比如“我想XX对你而言很重要…我喜欢它”。如果你真的想变的圆滑,那么就读取她的价值观,然后临时准备一个惯例丢出来,说明你的价值取向跟她一样。
I have been able to turn around flakes (girls who would not even answer / return my calls) by demonstrating my value via a voicemail message to her. There is no attraction technique that can compete with that! ;)
我已经能够扭转被放鸽子的状态(这里是指女孩不接也不回答我的电话),办法是通过通过语音信箱留言给她描述我的价值。我想没有任何吸引技巧能够完成这个任务!
PRACTICAL APPLICATION
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Ideally there should be a balance of attraction and value. The overall willingness a woman has to respond to you and please you is based on both value + attraction. A great PUA will demonstrate his value while producing enough attraction so that he has a chance to either demonstrate more value or seduce and fuck her (producing deeper level physical attraction). Let's talk application.
理想化的,吸引和价值之间应该有个平衡点。一个女人对响应你和取悦你的意愿,是基于价值加上吸引的总和。一个伟大的PUA会在产生足够吸引的同时展示自己的价值,于是他就有机会要么展示更多的价值或者引诱她并搞她(产生深层次的物理吸引)。让我们谈谈应用吧。
In a bar / club / mall / supermarket setting, when I'm not certain I can isolate a chick: (And most of the time since girls go out with their peer group, isolation is largely based on logistics) In this type of situation I will demonstrate value, with a bare minimum amount of attraction. I will take the number and be fairly certain she will not flake. Then I will create a situation where isolation is possible.
在吧/夜总会/购物中心/超级市场,当我不敢肯定我能够孤立一个雏的时候 同时大多数时间由于女孩和她的同伴一起出来,孤立会在很大程度上决定于你的后勤术水平)。在这种情况下,我会展示我的价值,附带必须的很少的吸引。我会number-close并非常确定她不会放我鸽子。然后我会在孤立条件已达到的时候,建立一个情景。
In isolation / or situation which predictably leads to isolation: Here I will ease off of the value and ramp the attraction. When I know the chick is not going anywhere, I will remove as much of her validation as possible and create a situation where it is her top priority to earn it back. Then I will use that opportunity to isolate, seduce and fuck her. It is important to fuck her very well at this point such that you anchor yourself to her intense pleasure. After sex, during the debriefing, continue to demonstrate your value to her to prevent future flaking.
在孤立或者可以预见会产生孤立的情景下:我会减弱价值展示并开始吸引。当我知道这个雏哪里也去不了的时候,我会尽可能的移去她对自己的肯定,并且建立一个情况,使她非常急于想扳回失去的肯定。然后我就利用这个机会孤立她,诱惑她还有操她。还有记得必须搞得她很爽,这样你就可以把自己锚定到她的强烈反应上。事情结束后,在任务报告中,继续向她展示你的价值,以避免未来的被放鸽子。(如果以GAME为目的,这里就可以收手了,如果以发展LTR为目的,这步必不可少,译者注)
The basic formula is:
1. Create perceived relative value for myself to reduce flaking and get her to meet.
2. Maintain enough attraction such that she does not view me as just a friend.
3. Create intense attraction during isolation to promote seduction.
4. Create a deep physical desire for me by linking myself to pleasure via sex.
5. Prevent future flaking by continuing to show that my value to her is real and genuine after sex.
Repeat steps 1-4 to reinforce and deepen the effect even more.
基本方程式是:
1.建立可被感知的自我相对价值,减少被放鸽子的几率。
2.保持足够的吸引以至于她不能把我视为普通朋友。
3.在孤立和引诱的过程中,建立强烈的吸引。
4.通过链接自己与欢愉,使她建立深入的肉体需求(锚定自己和目标)。
5.为防止未来的被摔,继续向她展示自己的价值,告诉她即使在上了床以后,我仍然是真心的、真诚的。
重复1-4步,加强、加深效果。
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